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. >> rachel maddow: trayvon martin, unarmed but for a bag of candy and iced tea that he was carrying -- >> bill moyers: you'll recall that the shooter in trayvon martin's death was protected at first by florida's so-called "stand your ground" law. "stand your ground" was the work of the national rifle association. there's its lobbyist standing right beside governor jeb bush when he signed it into law in 2005. although alec didn't originate the florida law, it seized on it for the "stand your ground" model it would circulate in other states. 24 of them have passed a version of it. >> rashad robinson: how did this law not only get in place in florida, but around the country? and all the fingers kept pointing back to alec. >> bill moyers: when civil rights and grassroots groups learned about alec's connection to "stand your ground" laws, they were outraged. >> rashad robinson: alec doesn't do its work alone, they do it with some of the biggest corporate brands in america. >> chris matthews: tell us what you know about what the impact has been of the trayvon martin case in terms of fundi
. >> rachel maddow: trayvon martin, unarmed but for a bag of candy and iced tea that he was carrying -- >> bill moyers: you'll recall that the shooter in trayvon martin's death was protected at first by florida's so-called "stand your ground" law. "stand your ground" was the work of the national rifle association. there's its lobbyist standing right beside governor jeb bush when he signed it into law in 2005. although alec didn't originate the florida law, it...
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. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he -- >> you don't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you? >> no, sir. >> reporter: the no sir could be interpreted is that she's denying what don west is saying. it went back and forth. >> her testimony today, there were a lot of questions and clarifying about race. how did that play out? >> reporter: well, you know, race, of course, has been a key factor in this story ever since the beginning. in fact, many say that's what took it from a local tragedy and propelled it to a national debate. but today what don west was trying to say is look, it's been george zimmerman that's been portrayed as the racist here, but it sounded like he was trying to say the shoe was on the other foot and pointing in the direction of trayvon martin. listen. >> what did he tell you that made you think it was a racial event? >> person that was following him, and that was kind of strange, and that a person keep watching you and following you. >> i'm sorry? [ indiscernible ] >> was there one thing about what
. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he -- >> you don't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you? >> no, sir. >> reporter: the no sir could be interpreted is that she's denying what don west is saying. it went back and forth. >> her testimony today, there were a lot of questions and clarifying about race. how did that play out? >> reporter: well, you know, race, of course, has been a key...
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>> then i was called trayvon, trayvon. i started hearing a little bit of trayvon saying get off, get off. >> okay. let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound, and the you said something. what did you say? >> i was trying to say trayvon, trayvon, what's going on? >> what did you hear? >> trayvon -- i kind of heard trayvon saying get off, get off. >> then what did you hear? >> suddenly the phone hung up. the phone shut off. >> okay. when the phone shut off, what happened then? >> i had to call him back. >> you called trayvon martin back? >> yes. >> were you able to talk to him again? >> no. >> did he, trayvon martin, ever call you back? >> no. >> did you ever talk to trayvon martin again? >> no. >> at some point you found out trayvon martin had been killed, is that correct? >> yeah. >> okay. do you recall in relation to that sunday when you had a phone call with him when it was approximately that you found out that something had happened to trayvon martin? >> it was a rumor monday when i went to school. >> i'm sorry,
>> then i was called trayvon, trayvon. i started hearing a little bit of trayvon saying get off, get off. >> okay. let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound, and the you said something. what did you say? >> i was trying to say trayvon, trayvon, what's going on? >> what did you hear? >> trayvon -- i kind of heard trayvon saying get off, get off. >> then what did you hear? >> suddenly the phone hung up. the phone shut off. >> okay. when the...
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he did not ask me what was trayvon -- he did not ask me if trayvon was describing the man. he just told me -- i didn't think it was that important at all. he had asked me how trayvon [ inaudible ] -- i said creepy, only thing i said was creepy. i'm not going to say it in front of people. >> you weren't going to say what trayvon martin actually said in front of his mother? >> yes. >> of course. of course. no one is arguing with you about that. but that's the decision that you made, was basically to clean it up? >> yes, sir. >> you knew she was grieving. she had just lost a son. you were very sensitive to that, correct? >> yes, sir. >> in fact, as you were explaining what happened in answering mr. de la rionda's questions with miss fulton sitting beside you, she was crying, wasn't she? >> she had this -- not crying. just tearing up about when i start telling what happened that night. >> again, it's so hard to hear, but did you say that she may -- she wasn't crying but she was tearing up? >> yeah. just tearing up. >> tears coming out of her eyes? >> yes. >> do you associate th
he did not ask me what was trayvon -- he did not ask me if trayvon was describing the man. he just told me -- i didn't think it was that important at all. he had asked me how trayvon [ inaudible ] -- i said creepy, only thing i said was creepy. i'm not going to say it in front of people. >> you weren't going to say what trayvon martin actually said in front of his mother? >> yes. >> of course. of course. no one is arguing with you about that. but that's the decision that you...
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she says trayvon told her, now if she wanted to make trayvon look like an angel or wanted to make trayvon look a certain way, if that he shougt that would be harmful, she could say trayvon told me there was a white gentleman following him or a white guy following him. no, she used that term and said that's what he used -- >> hold on -- >> and i think a juror will find that more credible. >> sunny, you're making a good point she was sugar coating it and that's exactly what she did in her original statement, she left out -- she just called the guy creepy. she said trayvon called the guy creepy and later on admits she left out cracker originally because she wanted to sugar coat it. she didn't want -- trayvon's mom was there and she didn't want her to hear the language of cracker and aware it's the bad word. she didn't say it. she is relating that somebody said that word but, i mean, she's not being -- she's admitted that she sugar coated on prosecution. >> danny, for someone who was the prosecution's star witness, do you think she damaged the prosecution's case? do you think she helped the d
she says trayvon told her, now if she wanted to make trayvon look like an angel or wanted to make trayvon look a certain way, if that he shougt that would be harmful, she could say trayvon told me there was a white gentleman following him or a white guy following him. no, she used that term and said that's what he used -- >> hold on -- >> and i think a juror will find that more credible. >> sunny, you're making a good point she was sugar coating it and that's exactly what she...
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. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit -- >> he -- >> you didn't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it in george zimmerman's face, do you? >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> at mid afternoon as she left the witness stand, the judge reminded her that she could be called back. there may be many opinions about whether she helped or hurt the prosecution. in the end, the only ones that really matter are the six opinions in the jury box. >> martin joins us now. we heard some of what rachel jeantel said and who was at the initial interviews when she spoke to police. why was that so important? >> reporter: this is mething the defense is trying to bring up, there was a very close relationship between the prosecution and trayvon martin's family, but also, their attorney benjamin crump. in fact, when the initial interview took place with authorities, that young lady was sitting in the home of trayvon martin's mother and seated next to her when she gave that first testimony was sabrina, trayvon martin's mother. so they are trying to imply that her testimony
. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit -- >> he -- >> you didn't know that trayvon at that moment take his fist and drive it in george zimmerman's face, do you? >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> at mid afternoon as she left the witness stand, the judge reminded her that she could be called back. there may be many opinions about whether she helped or hurt the prosecution. in the end, the only ones that really matter are the six...
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>> and then, i called trayvon, trayvon, and in a little bit i started hearing trayvon say get off, get off. >> okay, you heard a grass sound, you said something, what did you say? >> i said trayvon, what is going on? >> and what did you hear? >> i kind of heard trayvon saying get off, get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly, the phone shut off. >> for more than five and a half hours over the next two days, george zimmerman's defense attorney don west cross examined jeantel, grilling her on the discrepancies of what she testified in court and what she said in past depositions. a key piece of evidence for both the defense and the prosecution is who was screaming for help on the 911 tape. jeantel told the prosecution in court it was certainly martin. but west read jeantel a transcript of what she had told him at an earlier deposition. >> so the question is, well, who was screaming for help. it is not trayvon is it, and your answer, it could be trayis von. and the question, you know his voice so well, was that trayvon screaming for help or wasn't it? your answer, it could be.
>> and then, i called trayvon, trayvon, and in a little bit i started hearing trayvon say get off, get off. >> okay, you heard a grass sound, you said something, what did you say? >> i said trayvon, what is going on? >> and what did you hear? >> i kind of heard trayvon saying get off, get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly, the phone shut off. >> for more than five and a half hours over the next two days, george zimmerman's defense...
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said trayvon got shot and trayvon -- the person who shot trayvon was arrested. >> when did you learn that? >> my friend told me, like -- when i learned that was, like, the day -- that was a tuesday. >> the two days afterwards? >> yeah, and when i really found out that he was dead. >> okay. and then nobody else had called you about the case, so you didn't take it upon yourself to talk with anybody about anybody in law enforcement or anybody connected with -- >> no, i never thought i was a witness. >> and then some time passed, about march 18th, is that correct? >> 17th. >> march 17th. >> saturday. >> pardon me? >> saturday, march -- i think it was a saturday. >> it was a saturday in march, about the middle of march. >> yes. >> around the 17th or 18th, probably. >> 17th. that was a saturday. >> could you check that? you believe the 17th was a saturday? it could have been. i don't know. that same weekend is when you got the call -- >> the first phone call from his father -- he had asked me, he say i'm the last person who had talked to trayvon. >> so did he tell you that he found the --
said trayvon got shot and trayvon -- the person who shot trayvon was arrested. >> when did you learn that? >> my friend told me, like -- when i learned that was, like, the day -- that was a tuesday. >> the two days afterwards? >> yeah, and when i really found out that he was dead. >> okay. and then nobody else had called you about the case, so you didn't take it upon yourself to talk with anybody about anybody in law enforcement or anybody connected with --...
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tell it was trayvon? >> that's the $65,000 question. the we is whether she initially said "i could have heard" or "i could not hear" and then upon further questioning from the prosecutor "no, i could hear." i heard it. trayvon martin is the one who said. that's her story today. the defense showed that story evolved because she's trying to be helpful to the prosecution and martin family. >> kendall, let me ask you, this is a lynch pin to her testimony and the prosecution's case. >> it's lynch pin just as you say, maybe the whole case to the prosecution. remember it's not a crime if george zimmerman followed trayvon martin even confronted him verbally. what's critical in terms of whether self-defense can vab lid did george zimmerman begin the physical aggression, did he throw the first punch. this testimony that trayvon martin allegedly said "get off get off" is the most important thing we heard to date as to who started the fight. >> it's very important when we hear the fact, the jury will hear the earlier
tell it was trayvon? >> that's the $65,000 question. the we is whether she initially said "i could have heard" or "i could not hear" and then upon further questioning from the prosecutor "no, i could hear." i heard it. trayvon martin is the one who said. that's her story today. the defense showed that story evolved because she's trying to be helpful to the prosecution and martin family. >> kendall, let me ask you, this is a lynch pin to her testimony...
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and that trayvon martin was reaching for the gun. that's the story they're going to have to stick to. that's the story that the defense is going to have to sell to this jury, and they want all of the forensics to be consistent with that. >> faith jenkins, lisa bloom and ken padowitz, we are certainly going to be sticking with this story. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, how each side today talked about the gun that was used to kill trayvon martin. very different arguments about why george zimmerman was armed. >>> plus, the day's other news, including a stunning claim from justice clarence thomas in a key ruling over affirmative action. stay with us. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile. and with responsive, dedicated support, we help you shine every day of th
and that trayvon martin was reaching for the gun. that's the story they're going to have to stick to. that's the story that the defense is going to have to sell to this jury, and they want all of the forensics to be consistent with that. >> faith jenkins, lisa bloom and ken padowitz, we are certainly going to be sticking with this story. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, how each side today talked about the gun that was used to kill trayvon...
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>> on trayvon. it had to be with trayvon. that's where his headset would be at. >> are you saying that the sound of wet grass that you used to describe this yesterday, as you describe it today you're saying that you believe that was people rolling around on the ground? >> yes, sir. >> what's that based on? what is the sound you heard that led to that conclusion? >> i really don't know how to describe it. i really do not know how to describe that. >> do you know how one of those headsets works? >> like this. >> right. so if something brushes against it, you can hear just like what you heard here. >> yes, sir. >> so it could have been fabric? it could have been wind. it could have been 1,000 other things than somebody rolling on the ground, couldn't it? >> yes, sir. >> and for that matter you don't even know what get off means, whether that means somebody on top saying that the person underneath was saying get off or somebody was backing up and saying get off or -- >> objection, argumentative. >> let me hear the rest of the que
>> on trayvon. it had to be with trayvon. that's where his headset would be at. >> are you saying that the sound of wet grass that you used to describe this yesterday, as you describe it today you're saying that you believe that was people rolling around on the ground? >> yes, sir. >> what's that based on? what is the sound you heard that led to that conclusion? >> i really don't know how to describe it. i really do not know how to describe that. >> do you...
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>> then i kept calling trayvon, trayvon. i started hearing a little bit of trayvon saying get off, get off. >> let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound and then you said something. what did you say? >> i was trying to say trayvon, trayvon, what's going on? >> what did you hear? >> trayvon -- i heard trayvon say, get off. get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly the phone hung up. shut off. >> okay. when the phone shut off, what happened then? >> and i had called him back. >> you called trayvon martin back? >> yeah. >> were you able to talk to him again? >> no. no. >> did he, trayvon martin, ever call you back. >> no. >> did you ever talk to trayvon martin again? >> no. >> at some point you found out that trayvon martin had been killed. is that correct? >> yeah. >> okay. >> do you recall in relation to that sunday when you had a phone call with him when it was approximately that you found out that something had happened to trayvon martin? >> it was a rumor -- >> i'm sorry? >> it was a rumor that monday wh
>> then i kept calling trayvon, trayvon. i started hearing a little bit of trayvon saying get off, get off. >> let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound and then you said something. what did you say? >> i was trying to say trayvon, trayvon, what's going on? >> what did you hear? >> trayvon -- i heard trayvon say, get off. get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then suddenly the phone hung up. shut off. >> okay. when the phone shut off,...
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turning it into trayvon martin was profiled. we turn to the latest on that and the other key developments. this captivating testimony, what stood out to you? >> there were a number of thi s things. this is a young lady going up against don west. they were going toe-to-toe. west was able to question the credibility of some of the statements she made implying she said certain things in testimony. she was saying something different when she got on the witness stand. sometimes it was the words she attributed to george zimmerman. sometimes she left out the racial remarks. it went back and forth like that. other times, it was less about the testimony and more about a test of wills. take a listen. >> so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody? >> trayvon got hit -- >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. you don't know that trayvon didn't, at that moment, take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you? >> no, sir. >> the no, sir could b
turning it into trayvon martin was profiled. we turn to the latest on that and the other key developments. this captivating testimony, what stood out to you? >> there were a number of thi s things. this is a young lady going up against don west. they were going toe-to-toe. west was able to question the credibility of some of the statements she made implying she said certain things in testimony. she was saying something different when she got on the witness stand. sometimes it was the...
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, or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer. >> trayvon would have told me he'll call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you're assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy, he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> in any event, you knew something was going to happen it, i take it. >> no, sir. >> you knew that he had said to the man why you following me for. >> yes, sir. >> and you knew in your mind that it was going to be a fight. >> no, sir. >> but when you -- >> maybe an argument. >> you thought trayvon martin would approach a man he had never seen in his life and -- >> i did not say trayvon approached the man, sir. >> either way. either way. are you saying that you thought that trayvon would have the discussion with that guy that he'd never met in his life, didn't know who he was, didn't know anything about him, this creepy ass cracker, and have just a gentlemanly conversation about why you following me for? >> the dude was close -- the man was close to h
, or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer. >> trayvon would have told me he'll call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you're assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy, he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> in any event, you knew something was going to happen it, i take it. >> no, sir. >> you knew that he had said to the man...
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trayvon told me the man was on the phone watching him. >> so, trayvon martin had told you that when he noticed the man watching him, that the man was in a car, and that the man was on the phone? >> he was watching him, yes, sir. >> exactly. exactly. >> yes, sir. >> and that he started walking in the direction of his home? >> yes, sir. >> and that the man followed him? >> yes, sir. kept following him. >> yes. in the car. >> yes, sir. >> and that you had a conversation with mr. martin where you told him, well just run on home? >> yes, sir. >> and as far as you know, he did, correct? >> no, sir. he -- i told him to run home. then he said, no. then said later he would make a run for the back area where his father and fiancee lived. >> let's break that down just a little bit. so at the point -- at the point that he says the man is following me -- >> yes. he was trying to throes man. >> let's break it down this way. mr. martin leaves what you think is the mail area. and walks in the direction of where he's staying. >> yes, sir. >> yes? >> yes, sir. >> and at that point mr. zimmerman was stil
trayvon told me the man was on the phone watching him. >> so, trayvon martin had told you that when he noticed the man watching him, that the man was in a car, and that the man was on the phone? >> he was watching him, yes, sir. >> exactly. exactly. >> yes, sir. >> and that he started walking in the direction of his home? >> yes, sir. >> and that the man followed him? >> yes, sir. kept following him. >> yes. in the car. >> yes, sir....
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and then with trayvon, trayvon didn't speak of his mother a lot, okay? i didn't speak towards his mother in no way, no fashion. never once, and i want her to know too, that i never tried to take her place. never. >> it's got to be so hard to have raised this child, young man, have him lose his life, and to feel like all of that has been forgotten or ignored. >> yeah. >> to be alone with that grief. >> yes, it was devastating to know that a child you raised, helped raise, and in death you mean nothing. but when he was alive, i was his stepmother. but in death, i'm not his stepmother, i don't love him because he's done passed? that's unbelievable. and i couldn't believe that these people was doing this. i mean, in the funeral, i can't sit on the front row at my son's funeral, to, to see him off home? that hurts me. that's the most painful thing that they have done to me. >> you weren't allowed to sit in the front row? >> no, no. i had to sit anywhere. to say those things to me to think it's okay, that wasn't okay. >> if george zimmerman is found not guilty
and then with trayvon, trayvon didn't speak of his mother a lot, okay? i didn't speak towards his mother in no way, no fashion. never once, and i want her to know too, that i never tried to take her place. never. >> it's got to be so hard to have raised this child, young man, have him lose his life, and to feel like all of that has been forgotten or ignored. >> yeah. >> to be alone with that grief. >> yes, it was devastating to know that a child you raised, helped raise,...
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he said that after he shot trayvon martin, he got on top of trayvon martin, on his back, and he took his arms, and he spread them out. that didn't happen. you want to see the pictures of trayvon martin by a civilian who went out there that night before the police got there and snapped off a photo on his phone. trayvon martin's hands are underneath his chest. >> joining me now, zachary carter, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of new york and kendell coffey, former u.s. attorney, now an msnbc legal analyst. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend are. >> zachary, what do you think about the prosecution's strategy in targeting what they called george zimmerman's web of lies, and how the defense is responding? >> well, i think that the prosecution appears to -- they prepared very well a case in which they'll be able to juxtapose events that occurred on a very definite timeline that is tracked by cell phone conversation, by 911 calls, various 911 calls, all of which are going to be able to fix when certain events occurred in time. and if you think of that a
he said that after he shot trayvon martin, he got on top of trayvon martin, on his back, and he took his arms, and he spread them out. that didn't happen. you want to see the pictures of trayvon martin by a civilian who went out there that night before the police got there and snapped off a photo on his phone. trayvon martin's hands are underneath his chest. >> joining me now, zachary carter, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of new york and kendell coffey, former u.s....
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>> well, according to george zimmerman, he got out from under trayvon martin after the shooting and trayvon martin then went down face down. i think the clip that you just showed of mark o'mara was very good lawyering. it's very interesting for a jury to see an attorney crouching down, re-enacting. you know, it can be a long day sitting there in the jury box listening to testimony drone on. if you can do a physical demonstration, i think that gets their attention. so i think that was a good demonstration on his part. >> real quick before we go back to testimony, yesterday a neighbor testified after she heard what she now know was a gunshot, she rushed out and saw the man who survived the fight on his knees straddling the person on the ground. that was her testimony yesterday. >> you certainly have conflict in the testimony here. i think it's pretty clear from it that raises the question of what position was george zimmerman in at the time he shot trayvon martin? if he's flat on his back or laying in a semi-seated position, it seems to me you must have an upward shot in terms of how that bul
>> well, according to george zimmerman, he got out from under trayvon martin after the shooting and trayvon martin then went down face down. i think the clip that you just showed of mark o'mara was very good lawyering. it's very interesting for a jury to see an attorney crouching down, re-enacting. you know, it can be a long day sitting there in the jury box listening to testimony drone on. if you can do a physical demonstration, i think that gets their attention. so i think that was a...
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>> he got close to trayvon, yes, sir. >> and you don't know whether the man was approaching trayvon at that point and getting closer or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer? >> trayvon would have told me he will call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you are assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> in any event you knew something was going to happen i take it? >> no, sir. >> you knew he said to the man why are you following me for? >> yes, sir. >> and you knew in your mind that it was going to be a fight? >> no, sir. maybe an argument. >> you thought trayvon martin would approach a man he had never seen in his life and -- >> did i say trayvon approached the man, sir. >> either way, either way, are you saying you thought trayvon would have a discussion with the guy he never met in his life, didn't know who he was, didn't know anything about him, this creepy cracker and have a just a gentlemanly conversation about w
>> he got close to trayvon, yes, sir. >> and you don't know whether the man was approaching trayvon at that point and getting closer or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer? >> trayvon would have told me he will call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you are assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy he would call you back when it was over? >> yes,...
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person to talk with his son trayvon? >> he feels his son -- i don't know. the phone regards i was the last person that talked to trayvon. >> what you took from that was that mr. martin had somehow identified your number as the last number and he called you about it. >> had talked. talked to trayvon. >> correct. that the numbers matched up. the last one on the list. >> yes. >> at that point did you know anything more about the case. >> no. >> you didn't know that by then george zimmerman had not been arrested? >> nope. i don't watch the news. >> nobody at schools, nobody said your friend trayvon martin was killed and the person that shot him hasn't been arrested. >> no. >> you had no idea. >> no. >> in anyiy vent -- in any event, how about at the wake that you talked about, i know -%u didn't go, but that was early march, correct, march 2nd or 3rd around there? do you know? >> march 2nd? >> you had some friends that went. >> yes. >> had anybody told you that had gone to the wake that they knew george zimmerman had not yet
person to talk with his son trayvon? >> he feels his son -- i don't know. the phone regards i was the last person that talked to trayvon. >> what you took from that was that mr. martin had somehow identified your number as the last number and he called you about it. >> had talked. talked to trayvon. >> correct. that the numbers matched up. the last one on the list. >> yes. >> at that point did you know anything more about the case. >> no. >> you...
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he did not ask me what was trayvon -- he did not ask me what trayvon was describing the man. i didn't think it was that important at all. he kept asking me -- i said creepy. the only thing i said was creepy. i'm not going to say in front of the whole world, in front of people. >> you were going to say what trayvon martin actually said in front of his mother? >> yes. >> of course. no one is arguing with you about that. but that's the decision that you made was basically to clean it up. >> yes, sir. >> you knew she was grieving. she just lost a son. you were very sensitive to that, correct? >> yes, sir. >> in fact, as you were explaining what happened in answering mr. delrano's question with miss fulton sitting there right beside you, she was crying, wasn't she? >> ah-ha. she was not crying, just tearing up about when i started telling what happened that night. >> again, it's so hard to hear, but did you say that she wasn't crying but she was tearing up? >> yeah. was tearing up. >> tears coming out of her eyes. >> yeah. >> do you associate that with pain and grief and suffering
he did not ask me what was trayvon -- he did not ask me what trayvon was describing the man. i didn't think it was that important at all. he kept asking me -- i said creepy. the only thing i said was creepy. i'm not going to say in front of the whole world, in front of people. >> you were going to say what trayvon martin actually said in front of his mother? >> yes. >> of course. no one is arguing with you about that. but that's the decision that you made was basically to...
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they weren't saying it was trayvon martin. but again, the judge said their testimony would not be allowed. i spoke with one of the forensic audio experts, tom owen. you don't believe that's george zimmerman yelling for help. what makes you say that? >> that's correct. i conducted a study in 1985 and many since that time about people when they scream. about 40% of all 911 calls are screaming and distressed voices of one form or another. so i'm asked constantly to help untangle these sort of 911 calls, both acoustically and otherwise, so i developed a system of using pitch transposition to be able to compare regular voice against higher frequency voice or screaming voice. >> when somebody screams, it is a far different voice than they use when they're talking. >> that's correct. that's correct. but if you say the word help me, your articulation, whether screaming it or not, your articulation is very similar, the way you move your mouth and lips and tongue and so on. so as a result of that, that creates acoustical energy that can
they weren't saying it was trayvon martin. but again, the judge said their testimony would not be allowed. i spoke with one of the forensic audio experts, tom owen. you don't believe that's george zimmerman yelling for help. what makes you say that? >> that's correct. i conducted a study in 1985 and many since that time about people when they scream. about 40% of all 911 calls are screaming and distressed voices of one form or another. so i'm asked constantly to help untangle these sort...
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>> trayvon -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to -- >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> and for that matter, you don't even know what get off means, whether that was somebody on top saying that the person underneath was saying get off, or somebody was backing off and saying get off. or -- >> objection, argumentative. >> let me hear the rest of the question, or what may have been meant if in fact you heard it? >> i think don west got frustrated, because he was not getting the answers that he wanted from rachel. and i think he made a critical mistake that a lot of defense attorneys make on cross-examination. he kept asking that one question too many. and she kept being able to stand up to him and in front of this jury and say no, that's not the way it is. this is the way it was. no, you're incorrect. what i said is in fact true. and this is what
>> trayvon -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to -- >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> and for that matter, you don't even know what get off means, whether that was somebody on top saying that the person underneath was saying get...
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trayvon martin's clothing? >> yes, sir. >> what was that? >> i felt a cold can, sir. >> where did you feel the cold can? >> in his jersey pocket, sir. >> did the can feel empty or full? >> full, sir. >> when you say jersey pocket. describe that. >> like a sweatshirt where you would put your hands into a pocket in the front, sir. >> in center? >> yes, sir. >> do you know whether or not the can that you felt, do you know if it was in a bag? >> i do not. >> did you examine the can or remover it from his sweatshirt? >> no, sir. >> why not? >> wasn't on my list of priorities. >> did you find an exit wound when you sat himt up and zernled for one? >> no, sir. >> what did you do next? >> i laid him back down. >> did you continue cpr after you laid him down? >> we -- yes, sir, i did. >> was rescue called to that scene? >> yes, sir. >> did they respond? >> yes, sir. >> did rescue take over the cpr efforts after they arrived? >> yes, sir. >> what did you see the rescue personnel do to treat or assess trayvon martin? >> i
trayvon martin's clothing? >> yes, sir. >> what was that? >> i felt a cold can, sir. >> where did you feel the cold can? >> in his jersey pocket, sir. >> did the can feel empty or full? >> full, sir. >> when you say jersey pocket. describe that. >> like a sweatshirt where you would put your hands into a pocket in the front, sir. >> in center? >> yes, sir. >> do you know whether or not the can that you felt, do you know if...
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>> i watched them hook up the leads to the ekg machine to trayvon martin. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead at the scene? >> yes, sir. >> what are they trying to do? >> it's a murder case. you have to prove that he died. it's as simple as that. every juror, as well as every spectator knew that he died of a gun shot wound. but it's so much more vivid and real when you hear that officer talk about seran wrap and vaseline. it lends an immediacy and frankly a tragedy. you think of this boy dying on the floor like that. you know, sure, it doesn't tell you anything about whether it was self-defense or whether it was murder, but it gives a vividness that the prosecution wants and the jury won't forget. >> mark, the defense really didn't have much to ask this police sergeant. what's the thinking when there's very little cross-examination? is it just that not a lot to dispute or just to get the person off the stand? >> jeff just said it. the prosecution wasn't proving anything. this was an emotional ploy to get in this -- to deal with stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with the evidence. t
>> i watched them hook up the leads to the ekg machine to trayvon martin. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead at the scene? >> yes, sir. >> what are they trying to do? >> it's a murder case. you have to prove that he died. it's as simple as that. every juror, as well as every spectator knew that he died of a gun shot wound. but it's so much more vivid and real when you hear that officer talk about seran wrap and vaseline. it lends an immediacy and frankly a...
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. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he claims he had. >> you don't know that trayvon at that moment didn't take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> you thought trayvon martin would approach a man he'd never seen in his life -- >> i did not say trayvon punched a man, sir. >> i thought, in fact, that you said that it could have been, for all you know, trayvon martin smashing george zimmerman in the face is what you actually heard? >> what? >> yeah, just earlier today. >> by who? >> by you. >> you didn't get that from me. >> lisa, i've been watching this all day like you. you've been glued to it. i was so confused. at this point he's trying to challenge so much of what she's said i've lost track of what she's said. what's the truth here? >> well, she can't say exactly of course what happened because she wasn't there. >> right. >> she can only testify what she heard. sometimes she would cross over a little bit and probably fill in the blanks. as she said, that's the part where trayvon martin got hit and the defense at
. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he claims he had. >> you don't know that trayvon at that moment didn't take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> you thought trayvon martin would approach a man he'd never seen in his life -- >> i did not say trayvon punched a man, sir. >> i thought, in fact, that you said that it could have been, for all you know, trayvon martin...
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it is not trayvon is it? and your answer, it could be trayvon, and the question, you know his voice so well. was that trayvon screaming for help or wasn't it? your answer, it could be. like i said, i don't know. but it could be. the dude sound kind of like trayvon, trayvon do got that soft voice and that baby voice sometimes. so it could be, i don't know. you know it is not. and that is the end of the quote. do you acknowledge that you made those statements, those answers to those questions under oath in depositions? >> yes. >> jonathan capehart, what do you make of those discrepancies between the exact words she used sometime ago in a deposition and then the words she uses today in court? >> i think the short answer might be either memory loss or recovered memory. but the key point of what don west for the defense is trying to do is chip away at her credibility. we already know that rachel jeantel lied about why she didn't go to the memorial service for trayvon martin. also in the cross examination, it came
it is not trayvon is it? and your answer, it could be trayvon, and the question, you know his voice so well. was that trayvon screaming for help or wasn't it? your answer, it could be. like i said, i don't know. but it could be. the dude sound kind of like trayvon, trayvon do got that soft voice and that baby voice sometimes. so it could be, i don't know. you know it is not. and that is the end of the quote. do you acknowledge that you made those statements, those answers to those questions...
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he approached trayvon and trayvon asked him, you know, why you following me? >> do you believe race was a factor in why zimmerman zeroed in on trayvon? >> i would be lying if i said yes, so i'm going to say this, no, i really don't think it was zimmerman don't like black people, or he picked him out because he was black. did he profile him with the hoodie and stuff like that as this thug or whatever walking or whatever was in zimmerman's mind, yes, but to say that he target him because he was black, no. i don't -- i don't think so. >> and just to be clear, the complex where trayvon got killed. >> uh-huh. >> that's not where you were living with trayvon's father. >> no. >> that's where trayvon's father had gone with this other woman? >> right, uh-huh. >> is there anything else you want people to know? >> i'm here with you to let people know that i exist, and i would not sit back anymore and take the lies that's out there being told. i'm the one that went to them football games. i'm the one that was there when he was sick. i mean, every time he got sick if he wa
he approached trayvon and trayvon asked him, you know, why you following me? >> do you believe race was a factor in why zimmerman zeroed in on trayvon? >> i would be lying if i said yes, so i'm going to say this, no, i really don't think it was zimmerman don't like black people, or he picked him out because he was black. did he profile him with the hoodie and stuff like that as this thug or whatever walking or whatever was in zimmerman's mind, yes, but to say that he target him...
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and i saw trayvon laying in the grass. >> okay. when you say sidewalk, there was a walkway that you -- >> now you're hearing mark o'mara, defense counsel, asking questions of one of the first responding officers to the scene last february. that evening. again, setting the scene, what did he see, in what position was the body of trayvon martin. how did george zimmerman appear. quick break. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke... ...and we inspected his brakes for free. -free is good. -free is very good. [ male announcer ] now get 50% off brake pads and shoes at meineke. >>> returning back it the george zimmerman trial in sanford, florida. once again you see one of the first responding officers to the scene last february. this is officer tim smith. let's go back. >> didn't challenge you in any way, did he? >> no, sir. >> he was completely cooperative, was he not? >> yes, sir. >> but protocol is you arm yourself and make sure that you have it on him to take care of the situation. >> yes, sir. >
and i saw trayvon laying in the grass. >> okay. when you say sidewalk, there was a walkway that you -- >> now you're hearing mark o'mara, defense counsel, asking questions of one of the first responding officers to the scene last february. that evening. again, setting the scene, what did he see, in what position was the body of trayvon martin. how did george zimmerman appear. quick break. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke... ...and we...
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>> when you told her what happened, did you use the words that trayvon martin spoke? >> being followed? >> no, about the -- >> no. >> you cleaned it up, in other words? >> yeah. he was just being followed. >> you just said a man was following him. >> yes. i didn't go -- she had asked -- i didn't tell any detail. i just told her that testifies being followed. >> uh-huh. and did you -- did you basically explain the short form. >> yeah. >> the short version that you had cleaned up the language and you had beak said he was being followed? >> that's it. >> and then did you -- >> that is it. he was just being followed. >> and did you tell her that you thought it was just a fight? >> yes. >> did you tell her that trayvon martin had said -- >> no, i didn't tell her that. >> but you told her that -- >> i told her on the on the text -- not on the text but on the letter. >> and the letter is something that you and your friend wrote down? >> yes. >> and that was a letter that you thought you might be able to give to. >> that was plan a to give it to her because i didn't plan to s
>> when you told her what happened, did you use the words that trayvon martin spoke? >> being followed? >> no, about the -- >> no. >> you cleaned it up, in other words? >> yeah. he was just being followed. >> you just said a man was following him. >> yes. i didn't go -- she had asked -- i didn't tell any detail. i just told her that testifies being followed. >> uh-huh. and did you -- did you basically explain the short form. >> yeah....
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>> that trayvon got hit -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit -- you didn't know at that minute that trayvon didn't take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> will rachel jeantel's testimony be the key to the case and does the jury believe her? let's go to you, jane, if i may, straight away from a defense point of view. plant on image in the jury's head of look, trayvon martin clearly threw the first punch or blow in this altercation. >> well, it's very difficult road to go down, but as a defense lawyer on cross-examination it's not his job to be nice. she was an absolute gift to the defense. every time that everybody is talking giving her a pass because she's 19 years old and only a child, we put people in military at 18. so she's not a little child. she's very experienced. these aren't inconsistencies but lies. she admitted to three important things for the defense today. one, she admitted that he did call zimmerman a
>> that trayvon got hit -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit -- you didn't know at that minute that trayvon didn't take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> will rachel jeantel's testimony be the key to the case and does the jury believe her? let's go to you, jane, if i may, straight away from a defense...
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trayvon, run out of there. >> creepy cracker ass. >> an interviewer picked her up and took her to trayvon's mom. >> creepy ass cracker. i had that backward. >> and this is like lloin the ld case, taking hernandez to lloyd's mother's house. >> she gave an insight into what he was thinking, and he was thinking -- >> he's a kid like she is. >> thinking "n" word, and that is not -- you know, the -- the makings of a day at the ball game. >> judge alex is right here this is an important point and that is, how is it that this woman goes with the mother of the victim to be interviews by the police and state attorney. >> inappropriate. >> the state attorney and the interviewer with the mother sitting next to her at the house. >> i would say you could overturn a guilty verdict based on that. >> all depends on the jury. >> it looks awful. >> the mother is not on the phone with trayvon. look, they are kids. 19 years old. i'm a defense attorney. we get these types of cases, i get it. >> i am sick of the kids argument. i heard it last night. >> we have heard cases, i heard cases, and the age of the witne
trayvon, run out of there. >> creepy cracker ass. >> an interviewer picked her up and took her to trayvon's mom. >> creepy ass cracker. i had that backward. >> and this is like lloin the ld case, taking hernandez to lloyd's mother's house. >> she gave an insight into what he was thinking, and he was thinking -- >> he's a kid like she is. >> thinking "n" word, and that is not -- you know, the -- the makings of a day at the ball game. >>...
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trayvon's words. >> she's simply relaying trayvon's words to the jurors. so she said, describing this man who we now know was george zimmerman, as a crazy bleep cracker. >> creepy. >> well, yesterday it was crazy. today it was creepy. >> creepy. here's the thing. from my perspective, it helps her credibility to a certain extent because everyone knows she's trayvon's friend, so she has a side in all this. right? she wants george zimmerman convicted. she won't say -- i don't know, she's not going to be asked that. but we know which side she comes down. she's trayvon's friend. >> right. >> yet she is saying something that makes trayvon not look that great. so if i'm the prosecution, i can argue she's truthful, ladies and gentlemen. she's not hiding anything from you. she's not making things up. she even volunteered that statement that trayvon martin said. and that doesn't make trayvon martin look great. so the defense while they'll use it against trayvon, the prosecution can use it to bolster her credibility and say, the reason she said it is because it was t
trayvon's words. >> she's simply relaying trayvon's words to the jurors. so she said, describing this man who we now know was george zimmerman, as a crazy bleep cracker. >> creepy. >> well, yesterday it was crazy. today it was creepy. >> creepy. here's the thing. from my perspective, it helps her credibility to a certain extent because everyone knows she's trayvon's friend, so she has a side in all this. right? she wants george zimmerman convicted. she won't say -- i...
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i was calling trayvon, trayvon. then i heard trayvon saying get off, get off. then a second later the phone hung up. >> that's one side of the story. george zimmerman, of course, tells a very different version, a day after the shooting. zimmerman walked police through the events of that night in the place that it happened. the video runs about 12 minutes. we're going to show you a shorter version, picking up where zimmerman says he spotted trayvon martin. >> i saw him walking back that way, and then cut through the back of the houses. he looked back and he noticed me and he cut back through the houses. i was still on the phone with non emergency. and then he came back and he started walking up towards the grass and came down and circled my car. and i told the operator that he was circling my car. i didn't hear if he said anything. but he had his hand in his waist band. and i think i told the operator that. they said, where are you? i could not remember the name of the street, because i don't live on this street. >> right. >> and then i thought to get out and lo
i was calling trayvon, trayvon. then i heard trayvon saying get off, get off. then a second later the phone hung up. >> that's one side of the story. george zimmerman, of course, tells a very different version, a day after the shooting. zimmerman walked police through the events of that night in the place that it happened. the video runs about 12 minutes. we're going to show you a shorter version, picking up where zimmerman says he spotted trayvon martin. >> i saw him walking back...
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>> trayvon got hit. trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to. >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into george zimmerman's face, do you? >> no, sir. >> cross-examination the defense repeatedly tried to get jeantel to say it was trayvon martin who confronted zimmerman and not the other way around. but no matter how he worded it, her fundamental story did not change. >> that's why you weren't worried and didn't do anything, it was because trayvon martin started the fight and you knew that. >> no, sir. i don't know what you were talking about. >> i thought you said for all you know it could have been trayvon martin hitting george zimmerman today. >> by what? >> by you earlier today. >> you didn't get that by me. >> but you thought it was a fight because it was one you that you knew trayvon martin was going to start. >> it it was going to confront a man, he would have told me that. he did not tell me that, sir, he just told me he tried to get
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trayvon martin. first, the latest on everything that happened today from martin savidge who joins us now. so, what new evidence do we hear today in the courtroom? >> reporter: it was photographs, anderson. i've seen all the photographs in this case, but i had not seen these before. these were photographs of the body of trayvon martin laying on the ground. i don't care who you are, they have a strong impact to see a young person you know lying lifeless on the ground. so clearly it would impact the jurors and it impacted everyone else in the courtroom. on top of that, we saw the gun that george zirm uszimmerman us, that's the cal tech 9. and then we saw the sweatshirt, very powerful. that's not a piece of evidence to the family, it's an icon. it represents the racial profiling they believe george zimmerman is guilty of. >> the sergeants gave very emotional testimony about finding trayvon martin on the scene. tell us about it. >> reporter: yeah, this was another one of those aspects that humanizes trayv
trayvon martin. first, the latest on everything that happened today from martin savidge who joins us now. so, what new evidence do we hear today in the courtroom? >> reporter: it was photographs, anderson. i've seen all the photographs in this case, but i had not seen these before. these were photographs of the body of trayvon martin laying on the ground. i don't care who you are, they have a strong impact to see a young person you know lying lifeless on the ground. so clearly it would...